tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post1658174571120519867..comments2023-07-05T05:32:23.449-04:00Comments on Bee in the Bonnet: List-Style, Once Againkatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08056463808792013011noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-79307164870997534282010-09-07T12:43:30.454-04:002010-09-07T12:43:30.454-04:00It's crazy how supply can fluctuate, and how y...It's crazy how supply can fluctuate, and how your boobs can feel different and all sorts of other maddening things can happen. And all that's out there is remarkably contradictory advice (worry! don't worry! It's natural! It's your fault!) from all parties.<br /><br />Glad you got through it and hope things are nice and calm for a bit. You're doing an amazing job.Shinejilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03353174053245279899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-91726219430131732292010-09-05T20:54:14.405-04:002010-09-05T20:54:14.405-04:00wish i could have gotten to your supply post quick...wish i could have gotten to your supply post quicker :( you know i've tried everything and have always had supply issues. like so bad that i almost cried every time daycare would tell me that they threw away the breastmilk that the kids didn't eat (gasp!). sounds like you are turning things around though. just make sure that everything is still making you happy. i have several friends who ended up HATING bf'ing b/c they had to work so hard at it and didn't pay attention to their feelings. <br /><br />the kids are so cute when they start to notice eachother and play and interact!! :) <br /><br />...and i'm so jealous you are running again. (good for you btw) how the heck are you doing it? i need your secret!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-83125541292669645432010-09-04T21:18:56.633-04:002010-09-04T21:18:56.633-04:00That's SO cool that they were smiling at one a...That's SO cool that they were smiling at one another! I don't think my girls really notice each other, even when we put them face to face.<br /><br />I do think Lauren was trying to laugh this morning though! Dude, we have whole coversations! She's all..., "gah, uh, bah...etc." and I'm all, "tell me about it, girl!" It's the best!<br /><br />Addison just stares at me and seems to always be in deep thought. I think she's developing a cure for cancer or some other thing geniuses do. <br /><br />I would pump for 25 minutes and get .5, that's POINT FIVE ounces. So Kellywhatever can kiss my behind. Some people have legit physical restrictions when it comes to supply.Paula Kellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11545620300368378897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-87724662516414590162010-09-03T11:51:25.636-04:002010-09-03T11:51:25.636-04:00Don't know if you want more advice or not but....Don't know if you want more advice or not but... there's a book out there called, "The Breastfeeding Mother's Guide to Making More Milk." It also has a website: http://www.makingmoremilk.com/. I read it and it offers reasons for why supply might be low and ways to improve supply. As I recall, there's some information for women who have PCOS included in the book.<br /><br />I think books and Kelly mom stress being careful about supplementation because that can be a major factor in decreased supply and gets into a cycle. Your supply is low. You use formula to help. Your supply gets lower, so you use more formula, etc. It's a valid message, but I'm sorry it came at you so heavy handed. While I loved and used Kellymom quite a bit, I definitely also had a large grain of salt at the ready.Samanthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02799401502134619497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-34340225336956955992010-09-02T20:30:29.819-04:002010-09-02T20:30:29.819-04:00*unfortunately**unfortunately*Tracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248665952867223815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-88083554698432730562010-09-02T20:28:16.089-04:002010-09-02T20:28:16.089-04:00"It's hard to explain the joy at seeing y..."It's hard to explain the joy at seeing your children so incredibly content after almost two months of tears and frustration and exhaustion." Loved this. Still smiling. :) <br /><br />I really, really, really was committed to breastfeeding. I told Scott to NOT LET ME QUIT. But in the end, I was so upset by the whole thing, and upset that everybody (except E&R's pediatrician! and other twin moms) told me I needed to do it, and that if I *couldn't do it* (for whatever reason) then I was failing, that I finally just said SCREW YOU ALL. My babies are fine, and formula is fine, and we are going to be fine. And we were. And I was much happier.<br /><br />I'm not saying you should do that by any means, but I'm saying I GET IT. <br /><br />Our pedi was the one who finally made me feel better about it all. He told me that so many people out there (women especially, infortunately) make you feel bad if you can't nurse for whatever reason, and "that is just bullshit." (yes, that IS a direct quote.) He said formula is just fine, and that after 8 weeks the immune system kicks in nicely, and while breast is best, formula is an exceedingly close second. And that a happy mom is more important than ANYTHING. <br /><br />You're doing great, and ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS trust your gut. <br /><br />xoTracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02248665952867223815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-80571951669983703712010-09-02T20:06:13.869-04:002010-09-02T20:06:13.869-04:00Glad you were able to figure out what works for yo...Glad you were able to figure out what works for you, and that things are turning around. Enjoy your run!Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188110112312139648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-53255216826676271062010-09-02T19:13:38.662-04:002010-09-02T19:13:38.662-04:00I'm another person who directed you to the sit...I'm another person who directed you to the site - sorry you found it so upsetting (much of your post made me laugh, however!) But I meant it when I said they really really helped me.<br /><br />For example, all the, "your baby is not really as starved on your boob as you think they are" stuff WAS really true for me. My daughter was screaming, popping on and off the breast, and sucked down all the expressed milk I had each night (which I was trying to freeze or leave for my husband to feed her in the am so I could get some @*$#*@ sleep). After I read that, I kept putting her back on. And back on. And letting her off for 15 minutes when I couldn't take it. And then back on. This was on boobs that were totally flat and I could not hand express any milk out of, mind you. Two things happened - my boobs got engorged again over then ext week and she started pissing like a racehorse in the evenings. So it worked. Obviously, YMMV. Glad the fenugreek is working for you!ookyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05024051850868240497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-78139508579626267322010-09-02T18:56:47.356-04:002010-09-02T18:56:47.356-04:00I'm sorry the Kellymom advice was so heavy han...I'm sorry the Kellymom advice was so heavy handed. I guess I never read that page very carefully (which means I shouldn't have directed you to that site). Sorry! I'm so glad you're milk supply is at a more comfortable place for you. That is great. I know how stressful it can feel when it's not. Actually, I don't have twins so I DON'T know how stressful it would be for you, so never mind that. I hope all continues to get easier. You are a ROCKSTAR!!!!Kaithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00873914709073839450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-21277781767787843622010-09-02T18:21:34.382-04:002010-09-02T18:21:34.382-04:00Just to defend Kelly a little bit, I think the rea...Just to defend Kelly a little bit, I think the reason there's so much of a "your supply is not dropping" tone is because so many women think their supply is dropping when it isn't, and are at that point of weakness easily undermined by, for example, mothers and mothers-in-law or other female relatives who don't support breastfeeding who say the baby is hungry and needs formula when it isn't actually true. Then in such a case the woman starts using formula and then her supply does drop and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Happens every day. Of course, the default advice is for singletons, and for non-PCOS women, so individual factors must always be taken into account when reading advice meant for a general audience. <br /><br />I don't fault you for finding what you read unhelpful in your situation, but there is such a pervasive sense that women's bodies are inherently defective (fed by misinformed pediatricians and the formula industry, I'm sorry to say) that I think that sites like Kellymom are just trying to counter that, albeit sometimes in a way that comes off as heavy-handed.<br /><br />On a happier note, it's great to hear that your supply is rebounding! Good thing you went with your instinct. There's always something to be said for that.Starhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05393938434367250385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-31383374321809686332010-09-02T17:35:58.598-04:002010-09-02T17:35:58.598-04:00I love you, Kate. I like Kellymom's practical ...I love you, Kate. I like Kellymom's practical advice as well, but, uh, ya. Grain of salt required. I went on Kellymom recently to look up information on weaning, and everything was like, "Your baby isn't ready to wean yet. If you need to wean (which you don't) here are some things you can do to make it easier for your baby, but you're kind of an asshole for not letting your baby self-wean. If you go ahead and try to wean anyway, you'll probably get depressed and your baby will turn into a needy, clingy disaster who subsequently will fail at all attempts at intimacy for the rest of his life, you selfish bitch." Now mind you, my baby is over two, only recently stopped nursing every THREE HOURS all night--and never has a drop of the evil, accursed formula of death touch his precious, precious lips. I think I've done my part, Kellymom. My instincts tell me it's time to get my toddler off the tit so I can get my hormones back and have some sex with my husband, by God. My instincts tell me I'm starting to resent my little lad running up to me and pulling my shirt up in public and screaming at me for not disrobing quickly enough. It's tyrannical. I'm taking my boobs back, Kellymom, and you can kiss my ass.Serah B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13450464614078882364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-11211647869914513482010-09-02T17:13:58.632-04:002010-09-02T17:13:58.632-04:00I'm so glad you figured out what worked for yo...I'm so glad you figured out what worked for you and the babies. Even with just the one baby, I had to use formula on occasion if I wasn't getting enough sleep. Sleep deprivation can definitely drop BM supply. But, I HATE giving out the 'get more sleep' advice, because anytime someone said that to me, it set off my berserker button, KWIM? Anyway, I used the formula to get me through some rough spots, but I never found that the baby grew dependent upon it.<br />Sounds like you are doing a great job! As far as the advice/ass-vice, I try to remind myself that it is all just possibilities and I get to choose what to make actual. Which is maybe ass-vice, so ignore me :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07290792106914101920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-58758984856370443772010-09-02T16:53:08.042-04:002010-09-02T16:53:08.042-04:00Good for you for figuring out what works for your ...Good for you for figuring out what works for your family. I concur with Anna's last sentence.<br /><br />My word verification is "nonses"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4732556587451658119.post-6676799748900190032010-09-02T16:13:48.309-04:002010-09-02T16:13:48.309-04:00Dude....I'm so behind and I'm sorry. I mea...Dude....I'm so behind and I'm sorry. I meant to read your last post but never got to it. I hear you on the whole "we are your new alternative overlords and must be obeyed" thing. Ugh. Why can't we all be nicer to each other instead of reactionary?<br /><br />All I want to offer - and probably you've heard it from others - is that I hear (from a good friend who has twins roughly the same age as your boys) is that nursing twins is different and harder. Duh, right? But it seems like so much of the breastfeeding advice is for singletons, and just doesn't quite cut it for twins. Like that growth spurts last longer and are more intense with two - again with the duh. But anyway, you probably know all this - just a reminder that even the best intentioned advice out there might just not work for you as easily as those judge-y folks might like to think. <br /><br />And I guess the other thing that rankles me about all this is that it's so easy for people to forget about the mother. Like that it is hellish for YOU to have babies who nurse every 45 minutes and scream in hunger and are never satisfied to sleep for a decent stretch. Of course the babies need food and sleep, but YOU need that too. I finally got to a place like that with C's naps - I stopped explaining to people what he needed, and just started to say that I needed him to nap regularly and for longer than 20 minutes and without me lying in the dark room with him with my boob in his mouth. I needed a break, and that's what naps are - for everyone. <br /><br />Anyway, hang in there. Hope you can just take what's useful and let the ass-vice settle to the floor and get swept away by your neat-freak husband.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com